@i_like_swords: ....uh movie versions? but that was only due to the fact he blitzed aayla. Well actually, it kind of is. Vader isn't on par with sidous with the force, but that is only due to lack of knowledge of the force and his lost potential. @wollfmyth209: (((LOL. Vader is the most effective jedi killer in the SW universe what are you talking about? @i_like_swords: I saw scheming mastermind on his google profile, which he kind of was in TCW, but not by much. If anything Maul has shown better force combat feats. The other Jedi was Aayla Secura, and Maul was not winning. Not to mention in the old EU a clone of Maul almost beat Vader, and he would of died there if he didn't get medical attention. Dooku was more the former. Lulz. Online-Zeiten5. Anyways, he beat average Jedi, yes. Nah. Maul isn't a 9. First he dodged one attack, then another, then Sidious went all out and basically speedblitzed him: Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. Luke Skywalker (* 19 VSY auf Polis Massa; † 34 NSY auf Ahch-To) war der Sohn von Senatorin Padmé Amidala und Anakin Skywalker. Luke was actually the one holding back through the whole encounter. maul isn't a 6 in lightsaber combat. Vader and Luke are not two numbers below Maul as a duelist - that is the epitome of ridiculous. He was holding back. Even until the last moments, Sidious didn't go fully all out until the end. Like I said, the novel represents a fight between them with Maul fighting at regular levels and Sidious going all out, whereas the episode represents what would happen if Maul was fighting at his absolute peak and if Sidious entertained a serious duel with him. He felt engorged with this power, it surged like black fire, demon electrons looking for ground...but he would wait. And a result was a stalemate until Luke jumped Vader and attacked while amped by rage. He locked blades with Windu once and kicked Aayla and then fled. Very close, however, Maul is far more experienced at this point and has a broader fighting style. Qui gon was the 3rd best duelest in the order. I don't see why not. Finding it difficult to believe Dooku is intended to be the scheming mastermind when Maul is the one who captured the former and delivered him to Mother Talzin on a plate. MORALS ON FOR EACH ROUND.ROUND 1ROTJ Luke vs TPM MaulForce, Sabers, All OutROUND 2ROTJ Luke vs SoD MaulForce, Sabers, All OutROUND 3Dark Empire Luke v Darth Maul was in his prime right before his death in episode 1. But yeah, Sidious>Vader. Lord Vader did not mind waiting, though, nor was even aware of it. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor. Assuming this is the case when they fight, the initial edge goes to Maul. Vader should also be 8. And he didn't defeat him, he stalemated him. Beide wurden nach der Geburt getrennt aufgezogen, damit ihr Vater, der zu dieser Zeit bereits der dunkle Sith-Lord Darth Vader war, nichts von ihnen erfahren konnte und sie später nicht suchen würde. He would put up a good fight against Maul, but lose due to his lack of training and experience. Marek's pretty damn high up my list and Vader did pretty damn well against him. Scans? @nishi99: True. If this is ROTJ Luke I’d say maul would win in a very close fight. ROTJ luke out skills kenobi. @i_like_swords: Or the son of a guy who was fathered by the Force itself. He was mocking them BOTH through the whole fight. If this is ROTJ Luke I’d say maul would win in a very close fight. I'd argue that's probably Saesee Tiin. RoTJ Luke's skill feats are on par, or slightly above Maul's. ANH Vader, who is solidly below his RoTJ incarnation, has challeneged a doppleganger of TPM Maul(who we are discussing here). Standard gear for both and they are in-character. For it was an honor, and a noble activity, to kneel at his ruler's feet. Sidious was playing with Maul the entire fight. @nishi99: Well, he already is one as per SW.com. In the Mace vs Maul fight, Maul wasn't scared and said, finally a fair fight. His best TK feat is holding up a AT-ST; Maul was dragging an entire Shuttle while hurried and injured. 2. I gave him an 8 in the force due to his potential, but he hasn't reached it yet. So RoTJ Luke is about his equal in dueling skill. He has no feats or accolades that place him far above their mark at all. Anyways, it's not speculation. I think it would be like Qui Gon vs Maul. And an untrained Luke kept up with Celeste Morne's speed, and matched Vader's strength, so Maul's physical edge shouldn't impact much on the battle. The assassin thing used to be the case (albeit a very, very capable assassin at that), but recently SW.com and some creator commentary has overwritten that; Sidious is now meant to have trained Maul to be a "scheming mastermind" who was going to someday take over for him if need be. LOL. He was trying to force Luke to give into his anger, and he knew Luke wasn't a push over. Yeah right, I'm pretty sure I'm more qualified to make such claims, than you are, tbh. Vader, angry or not, ain't matching Palpatine. His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. I think it would be like Qui Gon vs Maul. How do you think about the answers? He also beat Qui gon and obi wan at the same time. Anakin From Episode 2 VS Darth Maul From Episode 1Both are armed only with their own Lighsabers. After the fall of the empire, he would go on to establish the New Jedi Order and eventually serve as its Grand Master. The dude was trained by Yoda and Vader said his skills were complete. It is obvious they were both past there prime. Luke came into his Jedi Prime about 10 years after the movies. I don't think Maul would stomp Luke. In the episode he disarmed him handily, in the novel he blitzed him. T-Shirts, Poster, Sticker, Wohndeko und mehr zum Thema Darth Maul in hochwertiger Qualität von unabhängigen Künstlern und Designern aus aller Welt. Fight takes place on I'm not even sure if a rage amped Vader can be in the same tier as Sidious in Force powers. incursion2 . If Luke Skywalker met face-to-face with Darth Maul on the battlefront, who would come out on top? If you were even paying half attention to the fight you will realize that Sidious was toying with Maul from the very beginning. After Savage died Maul fought sidous evenly for about 30 seconds and even pushed him back. 0. I'd give a shout to the time he deposed the current Mandalore and simultaneously united the entirety of the criminal underground with enough efficiency to engage in full scale war with the CIS, capture Count Dooku and General Grievous and have them dead to rights, and force Sidious himself to confront Maul and Talzin personally on Dathomir. While Darth Vader vs Maul would be slightly more difficult for Skywalker due to his slowed movements and Maul's quickstep, Vader would easily be able to halt Maul with a simple force choke, rendering him useless. Luke>Vader>Maul This also. Dooku failing to convince Obi-Wan that the Sith had invaded the senate when they actually had just shows that Dooku is terrible at telling the truth, bro. Your argument is that even post-Savage's death, Sidious was playing with Maul. Sidious also believed vader would surpass him by quite a bit especially since he has a higher mediclorian count. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Obviously the numbers don't really mean anything but I put them to help people see why I'm saying what I'm saying. At that point it was clear Vader wanted to kill Luke and keep Leia instead. 7/28/2020. In Shadow Conspiracy Maul wasn't dual-wielding and wasn't nearly as rage-enhanced as he was in the episode. Maul ragdolling obi wan in the clone wars proves he is at least a 7 in the force unless you think kenobi is a weakling. ..and didn't even put those plans into action, much less come close to succeeding. If you mean solid as in, clear, then I'd agree, but if you're referring to the degree by which Mace wins I disagree. After the former returned from exile he began being written as a mastermind (see The Sith Hunters, Death Sentence, SW.com and really any source from that time period). Dooku planned many times before with Asajj Ventress & Savage Opress to overthrow Sidious. And yeah, Mace>Maul. Sidious was playing with Maul the entire fight. Sidious also believed vader would surpass him by quite a bit especially since he has a higher mediclorian count. He had them already pinned against the wall and LET THEM GO FREE. Even though Maul just held Mace back, not being instantly killed by being ganged up by the second strongest jedi and another knight proves he is high tier. Luke is more skilled than Jinn by a good amount. So that is irrelevant. Luke has better force feats, maul has force pushed kenobi like four feet. Maul was out dueling Qui gon and Obi wan at the same time. He's also noticeably stronger tactically. Maul at least showed he was way of of Aayla's league, not to mention he dodge a missle that Mace couldn't. It is ridiculous to say Luke who only had a couple weeks of training could defeat one of the deadliest sith of all times who had over 15 years of intense sith training. I'm essentially saying that because Maul's Force Rage took him higher and Sidious wasn't trying to blitz them, they had an opportunity to compete in terms of skill; Maul was still losing but he held his own and even landed a kick, and then Sidious overpowered him with sheer strength. Continue. Ingame Daten4. It took two Jedi in the movie to hold Maul off, though Qui-Gon did a credible job on Tatooine. His feats in the clone wars put him at equals with ROS Kenobi and Anakin. In Shadow Consiparcy, Sidious blitzed Maul and disarmed him as soon as he actually went serious. Of course vader lost his potential when he was put into the suite, but he should still be able to hold his own if amped. Oh right, zero. Please show me Vader doing something in the new canon that puts him above Maul. And he stomped Maul. like i said i'm no more than 2 points off. Scheming Mastermind is just a statement right now. A circumstantial victory. @crushyourenemies: Vader was trying to push Luke. Vader is a 9 in force for obvious reasons. Wiki Points. @playa1: What suggests TFU is Vader's prime? He's much more aggressive, and in my opinion he's faster. And I mean, it's not as if Maul was trained from infancy by Darth Sidious or anything along those lines. The fight looks shorter than it is due to the panels being cut, but Maul and Mace didn't clash blades once in the time it took Aayla to fall to her feet and then stand back up and engage. But Luke is a better Jedi, more proficient in the Force and more creative in its use. Darth Maul was in his prime right before his death in episode 1. Potential usually is irrelevant. During that time, Sidious would take on two apprentices, Darth Maul and Tyranus, before setting his eyes on young Anakin Skywalker. Being way out of Aayla's league doesn't say much, since many characters are. And I'm telling you that they're way off, in my honest opinion. You can sign in to vote the answer. That just means ANH Vader is good, and by ESB he would've improved drastically in skill. @crushyourenemies: Vader was trying to push Luke. Level Six. Before that though, sure, he was enjoying himself. Vader would be a 7 in saber combat due to lack of feats, but he is that high due to the fact he can easily beat an average jedi who would be a 5 or 6. ? He, while amped by rage, competed with a Sidious who wasn't even trying, and he's bested Jinn and Kenobi by separating the two from each other and taking them out one at a time. He's not several echelons above Maul; that's preposterous. You can either intelligently answer or not say anything, because even though it is my opinion if you would rank them much differently that means you don't know what you are talking about since at most I'm 2 numbers off on something. This one did it twice. Not sure if you can justify Sidious quite "playing with" Maul after Savage's death. @i_like_swords: Scheming Mastermind is just a statement right now. on December 10th 2020, 5:28 am. And I haven't read enough of Qui-Gon to know if he was a better Jedi than Luke. Sidious is now meant to have trained Maul to be a "scheming mastermind" who was going to someday take over for him if need be. Join Yahoo Answers and get 100 points today. @crushyourenemies: If you paid any attention to what I was saying you would know that I already knew sidious started out toying with maul. HellfireUnit. Nope. name a time Maul planned to do that over a long time period. I used to think low of Marek, but after some re-reading of his feats in the books, I realized my mistake. Luke would win. As for skills Luke was at least high Jedi Master level like his father in ROTS or stronger because he was trained one on one with Yoda to beat Vader and Sidious. Jinn shouldn't be the 3rd best duelist of the Jedi in TPM. For the rest of the fight, he was just toying. Because when Sidious actually did get serious, he moved so fast Maul saw "countless blades". There would be seemingly no reason for Maul to want to hit Anakin, since neither he nor his master, Darth Sidious, knew yet that the child was the Chosen One. @i_like_swords: Haha alright good point, however it's not like Maul had Chosen One potential or was more then an assassin in Sidious's eyes. Maul has much more experience as a duelist. And then, well you know what happened. 19 years later, he encountered former Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi(Under the alias "Ben Kenobi") and joined the Rebel Alliance to bring down the Galactic Empire. Schlusswort1. Luke doesn't need feats because Maul is already by design far inferior. lol A little bit of research always helps people. Dooku planned many times before with Asajj Ventress & Savage Opress to overthrow Sidious, name a time Maul planned to do that over a long time period . Re: Luke Skywalker vs Darth Maul on May 6th 2019, 10:16 pm It's also worth noting that, alongside the comic stating Vader brings his "full strength and power" against Luke, it also notes that Vader's fighting "brutally, aggressively." Forum Posts. because even though it is my opinion if you would rank them much differently. Vorwort: Guten Tag, meine werten… Schilling wants to be taken off HOF ballot. The episode, on the other hand, Maul is evidently fighting harder and angrier than he ever has before, due to the sheer hatred induced by Savage's death and Sidious' declaration that he's been replaced, and in addition Sidious isn't exactly going all out - but what's important is he's putting noticeably more focus and effort into fighting Maul at this point than he was at any point earlier. So much bad logic going on here I don't know who to call out first. So that means RoTJ Vader is gonna be at least as good a duelist as Maul. Sidious wasn't holding back in terms of lightsaber combat, just the force. However, Maul has the solid physical edge and neither use the Force in combat much. Here we go again. If TCW/SOD, he's an 8. He would've lost quite solidly if he stayed since Mace>Maul. Vader during and before ANH was stated a shadow of his former self. No he hasn't. He was trying to force Luke to give into his anger, and he knew Luke wasn't a push over. This is our first movie, so please, tell us what to do better and please NO RUDE COMMENTS! Also in Daurth Maul Son of Dathomir Darth Maul fights Mace Windu and Another Jedi at the same time and was winning. Get your answers by asking now. After that, Luke's knowledge in the force grew to such a level where he was probably more powerful than Sidious. Easily whooped Opress and then made Maul beg like a little b*(*). I meant that he was winding against windu and aayla not sidious. Warum ICH Maul werden sollte8. @i_like_swords: Hows that make Maul a mastermind? In lightsaber combat Vader would lose to ROS Anikan. But he has stalemated RoTJ Vader. Nobody is disputing that he wasn't going all out. Thus 7 is too low. It is obvious they were both past there prime. @dccomicsrule2011: I said that was my opinion of how I would rank them in terms of skill and power. Luke, by RotJ, isn't exactly matching TCW Maul in power either. I think Any movie or TV show Maul beats Luke up until ROTJ, where only Rebels and season seven TCW Maul stand a chance. I definitely could not see Luke defeating Qui Gon Jin and Obi Wan at the same time. Luke's Force edge, while by a good degree, will be negligable given his tendencies. So that's why I said it can go either way. Others of his skill feats are competing with Celeste Morne(a Jedi capable of competing with Vader or Krayt) without getting any training from Yoda. BAHAHAHAHA based on canon feats? That combined with a Force edge is enough to counteract Luke's innate adaptability, IMO. Vader and Luke aren't a 4 or 10 in lightsaber combat. It's not speculation when multiple sources actually confirm him. Maul being a better duelist than Vader? The force doesn't come into play here since Luke doesn't use it in combat. So IF he could survive the initial assault, Luke would win. Re: Valkorion vs Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious . Their respective feats mark them as on par. @dccomicsrule2011: Actually they do have feats backing them up. Even in those last 20 seconds. In Shadow Consiparcy, Sidious blitzed Maul and disarmed him as soon as he actually went serious. Luke is a 7 in saber combat due to matching vader. Also based on canon feats Maul has better feats than Vader. Because Luke's potential is greater than Anakin's, so he progressed quite quickly. If anything Dooku was the scheming mastermind to secede and they can't just overwrite the canon. (those are 2 numbers off of what i said if you don't remember). It is a comic so it only showed one panel of them fighting but that is all you can expect form a comic. And he stomped Maul. The son of famous Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, he was left on Tatooine with his aunt and uncle after the fall of the Jedi Order. 7/28/2020. Even Sidous was pushed by Maul. Sidious spanked him, so that example is utter crap. 1. @luckystrike:How can you not justify Maul winning? As someone indicated to me some time ago; the novelisation of the final fight is how the fight'd play out if Sidious was going all out from the get-go and Maul was fighting on normal levels. @wollfmyth209: Sidious showed no signs of holding back in those last 20 seconds, stop speculating. Vader is obviously stronger in the force, but he has never shown anything on Maul's level. 0. The Fallen Knight. The fact that Luke took down the greatest jedi killer in the canon is proof enough that he is several echelons above him. And I wouldn't say Luke is more skilled either. Maul winning is lolworthy. ANH Vader losing to a Maul doppleganger means nothing. @nishi99: Luke hadn't realized his potential by this point, though, but sure it's there and we do see glimpses of it. Without a doubt, Luke Skywalker is the most famous Jedi of all time. After converting Anakin to his cause as Darth Vader, the two purged the Jedi into nigh extinction as they ruled the Galaxy from their Empire. Maul winning is lolworthy. Vader is obviously stronger in the force, but he has never shown anything on Maul's level. Maul was at least a 8 in saber combat. Der Gewinner ist der die beste Sicht zu Google hat. Er war der Zwillingsbruder von Prinzessin Leia Organa . Maul has that physical edge and training that wins him the fight. If Sidious did go all out, he would pretty much blitz Maul. Also in Daurth Maul Son of Dathomir Darth Maul fights Mace Windu and Another Jedi at the same time and was winning. After Savage died Maul fought sidous evenly for about 30 seconds and even pushed him back. Maul has proven to be a better duelist than vader. Why do you assume I meant Tenebrae? you can even see Sidous is getting angry. Not to mention he's casually bested the likes of Celeste Morne, and held an edge over Starkiller from TFU 2, who equals Galen in saber combat and is thus capable of beating Jedi like Kazdan or Kota and holding off Jedi like Shaak Ti. Hilarious how you use that example when you just tried to explain to me that the emotional state of the Skywalkers was the focal point for their respective victories. Nope, Sidious took Savage like a walk in the park and once Sidious started trying, the fight ended. Vader was having trouble with an old obi wan. If potential did count, Anakin would be better than Yoda. Because when Sidious actually did get serious, he moved so fast Maul saw "countless blades". I don't think Maul would stomp Luke. What feats does ROJ Luke have that put him above Maul, Maul: Lightsaber: 9 Force: 7 (clone wars) 8. Surviving the intial assault would be the issue. I would say Luke is about equal with Qui gon. Followers ... Darth Maul baby shakes, Luke's best feats in canon are trash atm. Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker) was a male human-cyborg Dark Lord of the Sith and the third and final apprentice of Darth Sidious, who first appeared in the Star Wars original trilogy, and later in the prequel trilogy. Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader would be able to defeat Maul. When Vader goes beast mode he could match sidious for a short amount of time, but of course he would never win. Only at the end of the fight, like the very last second, did Sidious go all out. RP-Story7. STAR WARS VERSUS is BACK! @nishi99: Or a potential successor to the most powerful Sith to ever exist. you can even see Sidous is getting angry. (Star Wars) Why Storm Trooper's equipment sucks? Maul's face showed no reaction to speeding over Anakin, as his eyes were fixed on Qui-Gon. Maul: Maul > Tenebrae? Who are both above Darth Vader (non angry). While I agree that Anakin>Vader, it should be noted that the Vader who was having trouble with Old Ben was solidly below the one in RoTJ. @wollfmyth209: I just re-watched the Maul vs Sidous fight and Maul matched sidous for exactly 20 seconds, even landing a kick on him. Sidious showed no signs of holding back in those last 20 seconds, stop speculating. Still confused by Trump's bleach suggestion? Vader wasn't trying his hardest to kill him. sith orden.png maul.jpg LUKE SKYWALKER GEGEN DARTH MAULTAUSCHEN Inhaltsverzeichnis: 1. Maul has to be about a 9 in lightsaber combat do to matching sidious for an extended amount of time when sidious could kill masters like kit fisto in seconds. Seahawks OT accused of assault, Redditor bets on GameStop to pay off student loans, Amanda Gorman dishes on Obamas’ inauguration chat. 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